Tuesday, June 16, 2015

57. HOLY SPIRIT AND A DEMON(S) II






 



     My friends, heaven is among us and God's power is available to us and the supernatural is increasing as we rapidly come into the tribulation period.  It can be seen in many churches, sorry for my offensiveness but not most mainstream ones that quench the Spirit or don't believe he moves among us any longer.  The gift of tongues is supporting proof the other gifts are available to us and most have seen tongues.  Yes they are worthless without a translator but the person who has them has been baptized in the Spirit. He should be safe to drive out demons.

  This topic is such a common misconception, I'm doing it again.  I haven't come across a pastor yet, even baptized in the Spirit who believes a person can have the Holy Spirit and a demon.  Hollywood hasn't helped, giving the idea that 1 demon will create an Exorcist movie type manifestation.  Dozens of demons won't do that, I don't know the direct correlation, how many to form a stronghold which will influence behavior, not control it but influence it and with different sizes and meanness of the Nephilim they come from, they vary in power.  Below is a good article on the topic and I'll present some other supporting evidence.
     Online, even normally authoritative sources are wrong on this topic, of course these same sources don't realize the gift, "discerning the spirit" actually means seeing them.  It's only when moving among much deeper levels of the christian world than mainstream do we start to learn the truth.
     Yes, all can have a demon and many will influence churches.  I recommend Dr. Keyton's work,
"Stripes, Nails, Thorns and the Blood" for any who are serious about spiritual warfare vs. the superfluous works in mainstream circulation.  The Bible isn't clear on this but we can infer some implications from JAMES 5:16 "Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed."
     A couple implications from this verse, the first is that there is some mystical quality about confessing our sins before healing will happen.  God has given me tremendous experiential knowledge.  As I've said about myself, much earnest prayer between God and myself did nothing for help with alcoholism, only going to A.A. and confessing to others made a difference.  We need our brothers and sisters to help with healing.
     The second implication of this verse is "be healed."  Of what?  What's causing the problem?  We're praying which causes healing.  Something's coming out which caused the malady.  We all sin and I don't know the truth to "for every sin there's a demon" and can't prove that, but will ask, do christians have the same problems and struggles as everyone else?  A high divorce rate, sex sin, problems with lust, pornography, not just one time sin but ongoing struggles with problems such as suicidal thoughts, fear (the bad kind from satan's spirit of Fear, not God's spirit named Fear of the Lord), anxiety, confusion, control, compulsive behaviors of all kinds, unbelief, doubt, depression, obesity - silly question in the southeast where the spirit of gluttony seems to be headquartered, alcoholism, drug abuse, excessive consumption of anything, lying especially to a compulsive degree, exhibitionism - hot women or even men who like to show it off, envy, jealousy, hate, unforgiveness, sickness perhaps caused by a spiritual problem, greed, fear of not having enough money and this list is not comprehensive.  Pleasse note this author is saying the same thing I've been saying all along which I learned from Dr. Keyton, we are 3 part beings, flsh, spirit and sould.  Demons don't possess the spirit but the flesh.  They came from flesh are comfortable living in flesh.  I'll do a posting on casting them out next.  Please spread my work to any place you may think it could be useful.  I'm here to serve God and Jesus and further His kingdom, the woman thing is a personal issue on the side.

In his service, a Misfit Child of God

demonic possession
(Charisma archives)
There was a time when we taught in our church that Christians could not have demons. I preached long sermons stating that Christians could be oppressed, regressed, digressed, obsessed and suppressed, but never possessed. We believed that a demon could be outside a Christian oppressing him but that it could not be inside him. The reasoning I used to defend this position was that Jesus and the Holy Spirit could not live inside the same body in which demons reside.
The problem was, our experience did not match our theology. When we ministered deliverance, we frequently prayed for people we knew were born-again, Spirit-filled believers--and they manifested demons! We had to face the fact that either our experience was wrong or our doctrine was wrong.
We couldn't question our experience because we knew what we were seeing. So we began to question our theology.
In our search for truth, we realized that in the Bible, Jesus tells us to cast devils out, not to cast devils off. Obviously, for something to come out, it must be in. We finally came to the conclusion that our interpretation of the Bible had been wrong.
Now I am convinced not only that a Christian can have demons but also that there are demons that operate in the realm of theology, encouraging us to argue and debate endlessly over doctrine rather than meeting the needs of people who are hurting. Demons actually help promote the teaching that a Christian cannot have a demon, because they gain strength from staying hidden. They can operate in their destructive ways without being challenged!
Some may argue that a believer cannot be possessed. But the dismaying fact remains that born-again Christians, including leaders, are experiencing difficulties that can find no solution in natural infirmities or the endless conflict between the flesh and the Spirit.
It's time to acknowledge that we are dealing with real people who have real problems and that God did not save and commission us so we could argue over doctrine. He called us into ministry so we can help people who are hurting, wounded and bruised.
When you come into contact with someone who is controlled by demons, the answer is to cast the devils out, not to argue about whether or not the person is a Christian. The answer is to bring help to that person.
Possessed or Not Possessed?
I realize I'm not the only believer who has ever had an erroneous idea about Christians being possessed. And the sensationalized picture Hollywood has painted of demon possession has not helped. It has led us to believe that if we say a Christian can be possessed, we are saying he can be fully owned and controlled by the devil and will manifest, Hollywood-style, with head spinning and eyes popping out.
The word "possessed" is an unfortunate translation because it connotes ownership, and we know that the devil cannot own a Christian--that is, have complete control of him. But in the Bible, there is no real distinction between being possessed and being oppressed, digressed, suppressed, obsessed and so forth. All these terms mean that a person is, to some degree, under the influence of a demon.
Personally, I do not have as much of a problem with the word "possessed" as other Christians do. In fact, to me the word "demonized" sounds worse.
When I looked up "possess" in the dictionary, I discovered that one definition of the word is "to occupy." My contention is that if a demon occupies your big toe, he possesses that part of you. It doesn't mean he possesses your spirit, soul and body. But if he occupies even a small portion, such as a physical organ in your body--as a spirit of infirmity does--then there is possession to some degree.
I often ask those who are skeptical of demon possession whether or not cancer is demonic. Most will agree that sickness is of the devil.
So then, I continue, is cancer inside the body, or is there something on the outside that's the problem? If it isn't on the inside, doctors probably wouldn't cut people open trying to remove it. Evidently, as a Christian, you can have something in you that is possessing a certain organ of your body and is not of God.
Knowing that a Christian can be possessed (or demonized) in some part of his being raises the question: Is any part off-limits to demons? Here is where we can reconcile the issue of Jesus and the Holy Spirit residing simultaneously within someone who needs deliverance.
One thing that has helped us in our understanding is the realization that every person is made up of three parts: spirit, soul and body. When Jesus comes into a believer's life, He comes into that person's spirit. John 3:6 tells us clearly, "That which is born of the Spirit is spirit" (NKJV). A demon cannot dwell in a Christian's spirit because that is where Jesus and the Holy Spirit dwell.

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