I was feeling I'm spending too much time on this topic, then it occurred to me that demons are the major threat to mankind so deserve much consideration. I'm writing this after a debate with a church leader who held fast to what I believe are some common misconceptions. Here, I wish to explain, demons are not a part of God's plan, God did not create them. I'll attempt to use the book of Enoch at a bare minimum and lend it credibility from the Bible. DEMONS ARE NOT FALLEN ANGELS, fallen angels did not undergo a transformation, they are still angels with the same names they formerly had, cherubim, seraphim, authorities, dominions, rulers, etc. The names may not be recognized if the reader doesn't know what he's looking for and to add to the confusion, differing translations give them different names.
I'm on a fast, steep learning curve, (God seems to have put a beautiful woman on the pile of His treasure I'm seeking. The treasure is for God and humanity, the woman is for me, my private treasure.) God is teaching me as I go, helping me find things and make connections so I'm progressing rapidly. I'm a fast learner anyway, have the best teacher known to man and a serious motivating factor.
I don't believe fallen angels come into our bodies.
Edit: Studying angels for that posting I'm doing in between others, maybe they do on occasion. I'm currently having some confusion about the difference between the Holy Spirit, Jesus's spirit, and one of God's seven spirits that Jesus was holding in Revelation. REV 3:1 "...These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars..."Is the Holy Spirit an angel? What's his connection to one of the seven spirits named Spirit of God? Is he a piece of the spirit of God or a function of that spirit? That Spirit's purpose is to come on us and give us power to act and speak for God as Elijah and Elisha and Jesus had. Are the seven spirits of God the Holy Spirit? I'm learning as I go. When I get the break through I've been sent for maybe I'll come back and edit the entire blog, in the meantime, keep reading as I'll be posting my latest findings as I go.
God gave me a tremendous amount of experiential knowledge as the Healing House prophets knew and I listed way back in LEVELS OF UNDERSTANDING / FIRST RAY. From personal experience the panic attacks I had as I fumbled my business and retirement may have been from the spirit FEAR, (dark angel), a chief prince of satan. this happened after my baptism in the spirit so, since Jesus tells us, "I will never leave nor forsake you," but I'd quenched him way back into a corner as many churches regularly do. Do the dark angels come into us with the Holy Spirit or work on us from the outside.
The Holy spirit indwells us, we can certainly have the Holy Spirit and demons, at this point though I'm not certain if a dark angel can indwell us with the Holy Spirit. Jesus himself was almost overcome with the dark angel named Heaviness in the garden of Gethsemane. Was the dark angel in there with the seven spirits of God or not? I feel I'm getting close to the break through at this writing, a bit more dirt and rock to go. I'm not trying to be funny about the woman, I think she comes with the treasure and she's waiting for me. Hold on Darling, I'm coming as fast as I can. I suspect God's giving her word of knowledge encouraging her to be patient just a bit longer. She wants me too. Or she could be someone I already know who's led to blurt it out for some unknown reason. If and when it happens I'll know for sure who I may be in God's eyes.
Demons came from flesh and like to live in flesh and are under the authority of fallen angels. The fallen angels or dark princes as I often refer to them are the generals in satan's army with demons of the same name under their authority. When we see the phrase "spirit of" this will refer to an angel, good or bad. We can't label anything "spirit of" and have the evil but there is a demon for every negative emotion. For instance, my standard exmaple is that there is no "spirit of" alcoholism, obesity or dug abuse, these are all manifestations of the spirit or fallen angel named Gluttony. People with these problems may be hosting demons of the same name or may have been set up by demons who left. The demons will return with prayer for a change of habit and will require the advice of JAMES 4:7 for change to occur. "Submmit yourselves to God. Resist the devil, he will flee from you."
Regarding the creation of demons and giants, let's think this through and I'll try to keep it simple for the sake of any mainstream seminary grads who may be reading. The book of Enoch provides a simple, clear explanation but it isn't accepted canon. I'll use the Bible to lend it credibility, but will include information from Enoch at the end of this posting.
Edit: Perhaps we don't have to use the book of Enoch at all. Jude 6 - 7 tells us of angels who left their first estate and were chained in darkness until the day of judgment for sex crimes by the reference to Sodom and Gomorrah. It would be reasonable to assume these were the "sons of God" from GENESIS who took the daughters of men as wives and ruined God's plan.
Here's a (sub edit), God has me giving this thing priority over my properties. Maybe I get God legal...marital benefits when I make His break through. I think He gives me what I want when I find what He wants me to find for Him or humanity or whomever, I don't care, you know what I want. Ok so maybe these 200 angels left their proper dwelling on their own initiative, they wanted the same thing I do, a beautiful woman. Maybe they somehow made bodies or kicked the lesser spirits of man, weak angels perhaps, our spirits, out and possessed human bodies, bringing their immortal spirits into the mix and creating the Nephilim. No to all you mainstream seminary grads who've been called to serve God for a cushy, easy job, God didn't make demons and He wasn't happy about it when the messengers did.
I'm sorry for my bad attitude, I may come back and edit this out, I'm sure there are many good people in ministry, perhaps most, baptized in the Spirit who truly have been called. I just keep coming across many unqualified idiots who're just in it for the money, prestigious job, social position, etc. They have a gift of being comfortable in front of a crowd but it doesn't appear much more.
This edit is on 6-15-15 and I'm having a little break through here. I don't know if angels have souls or just spirit consciousness. We have mortal souls, and immortal spirits or vice versus. If our consciousness resides in our souls, animals have those too. Perhaps our consciousness gets transferred to our spirits when we die. These weak spirits are weak angels. If the watchers hijacked 200 bodies and kicked out the souls and weak spirits, what was left was all immortal, producing the immortal souls of the Nephilim. I think that's it. Can I have her today God?
Incidentally, the book of Jude tells us Enoch was a prophet, seventh generation from Adam but it doesn't tell us he wrote a book.
The phrase "Sons of God" can refer to angels or men who have found favor with God. GENESIS 6: 2 - 4. The sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful and they married any of them they chose. Then the LORD said, 'My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.' The Nephilim were on the earth in those days - and also afterward - when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown."
Most biblical scholars argue that since angels couldn't have had sex with women "sons of God" here must refer to the evil sons of Seth. We have 2 problems with this though. The evil sons of Seth wouldn't be called "sons of God," that phrase was reserved for followers of God. Secondly, they were human and would have produced human offspring, not Nephilim. Therefore, we must assume that by some way, it was angels who fornicated with women to produce these illegal creatures.
We find in DANIEL 4:13, 17 and 23, in King Nebuchadnezar's dream, in the King James translation, the mysterious "watcher." "Messenger" or "holy one" as described in other translations. This is the only place in the Bible we see this particular being. Here's where we have to take a little leap without the book of Enoch and assume that these must have been the "sons of God" who were able to have sex with women, but it is corroborated by the book of Enoch..
Angels are immortal and it might be reasonable to assume that something strange might be produced in this pairing such as Nephilim. Some theorize that something about the mismatched DNA caused pituitary problems leading to gigantism. By the way, all those fairy tales about ogres and people eating giants weren't fairy tales, they were based on fact.
Souls are passed by the fathers as can be assumed as a sin nature has been passed down since Adam. (Jesus had no earthly father, was born without a sin nature.) HEBREWS 7: 9 "One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor." Sin entered the world through Adam, not Eve who sinned first. Women may cause us a lot of grief but I still want one. ROMANS 5:12 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned -"
I think we're now at the point where we have illegal creatures with immortal souls, mortal bodies, not planned or created by God.
Let's now go to the back of the Bible and look at the book of Jude, verses 6 and 7: "And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling - these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."
I think it's obvious here that God was unhappy with the angels who left their first estate, as some translations say, and had sex with women. We see in that verse the reference to the sex sin of Sodom and Gomorrah and may assume this was the sin the watchers committed and angered God, since he bound them with everlasting chains until judgment day. Perhaps he wasn't happy with the results of their actions either and did not deliberately create the Nephilim whose immortal souls became our modern day demons. I hope I have proven here that God did not create demons and did not want us to be tormented by them for all mankind's existence.
It's amazing what can be found on the internet, look for yourselves at some of the fossils of monsters and frightening creatures that we've had in our history. There were certain deformities among these giants, in fossilized remains we see that double rows of teeth were common. The Bible doesn't tell us this and I'm just providing for purposes of interest, the giants were evil, wicked creatures. They roamed the earth the book of Enoch tells us, archaeological remains have been uncovered in Ecuador of hammers that would have been 4 or 5 feet tall and other giant sized tools. They ate all the people food then ate most of the people, then started eating each other. The demons they produced are also evil, keeping the personalities of the earthly beings they came from. They hate and fear their masters, the fallen angels but are happy to torment us. The Bible doesn't tell us this but destroying "all traces of the destruction that the fallen angels had wrought" was the purpose of the flood according to the book of Enoch.
All the males on the ark were of pure human bloodlines but some of the giant DNA came through by one or more of the women. However, with male lineage ended, further creation of demons was now blocked. In pictures back in posting #16, see archaeological excavations of some of these giants, 36;' tall. These were probably after the flood as the Israelites described them in Canaan, giants that made them seem as grasshoppers. Goliath was a smaller one at 10'6", king Og of Bashan was 12', and a Roman Caesar, around 250 B.C., Maximus Thrax was 8'6".
God did not make demons or intend for them to exist, but I don't think that has to mean that He is not sovereign. The evidence seems to suggest He may not be totally omniscient about the future and potential outcomes of everything He does. I'm sure He'll let me know if I'm mistaken and I'll pass that on to you. At present our communication is indirect but believe me, I'm trying as hard as I can to clear away the blockage. I want that woman.
In his service, a Misfit Child of God
The Watchers were a specific race of divine beings known in Hebrew as 'nun resh ayin' or 'irin' meaning 'those who watch' or 'those who are awake', which is translated into Greek as Egrhgoroi egregoris or grigori, meaning 'watchers'.
The early books of the Bible speak of some vague heavenly beings called malochim (singular, malach). Although malach is usually translated 'angel', its literal meaning is 'messenger.'
As recounted in the Dead Sea Scrolls:
As recounted in the Dead Sea Scrolls:
'.....In the days of Jared', two hundred Watchers 'descended' on 'Ardis', the summit of Mount Hermon - a mythical location equated with the triple peak of Jebel esh Sheikh (9,200 feet), placed in the most northerly region of ancient Palestine.On this mountain the Watchers swear an oath and bind themselves by 'mutual imprecations', apparently knowing full well the consequences their actions will have both for themselves and for humanity as a whole.It is a pact commemorated in the name given to the place of their 'fall', for in Hebrew the word Hermon, or harem, translates as 'curse''. 'In time, each of the 200 took an earthly spouse.These unions produced children of extraordinary size, who quickly devoured the world's food.To satisfy their enormous appetites, the angel-children roamed the earth, slaughtering every species of bird, beast, reptile and fish. Finally, the ravenous creatures turned on one another, stripping flesh from the bones of their fellows and slaking their thirst in rivers of blood.As this wave of destruction washed over the earth, the anguished cries of humankind reached four powerful Archangels - Uriel, Raphael, Gabriel, and Michael - who upon orders from God enacted a swift retribution.
The Watchers are also portrayed as a high order of Angels (Archangels), known as Grigori or Irin.
The Book of Enoch (which is NOT part of the Hebrew or Christian Bible) says that God had sent a legion of angels to earth in order to watch over and subtlety assist man during the beginning of civilization. However, as Enoch tells us, these angels were not well suited for the task.
They taught man forbidden sciences such as herb craft, astrology, divination and sorcery.
For clarification, I offer the following information. The theme of the Book of Enoch dealing with the nature and deeds of the fallen angels so infuriated the later Church fathers that one, Filastrius, actually condemned it openly as heresy.
For clarification, I offer the following information. The theme of the Book of Enoch dealing with the nature and deeds of the fallen angels so infuriated the later Church fathers that one, Filastrius, actually condemned it openly as heresy.
So the book was denounced, banned, cursed, no doubt burned and shredded and last but not least, lost (and conveniently forgotten) for a thousand years.
But with an uncanny persistence, the Book of Enoch found its way back into circulation two centuries ago. In 1773, rumors of a surviving copy of the book drew Scottish explorer James Bruce to distant Ethiopia.
True to hearsay, the Book of Enoch had been preserved by the Ethiopic Church, which put it right alongside the other books of the Bible. Bruce secured not one, but three Ethiopic copies of the book and brought them back to Europe and Britain.
When in 1821 Dr. Richard Laurence, a Hebrew professor at Oxford, produced the first English translation of the work, the modern world gained its first glimpse of the forbidden mysteries of Enoch.
Many Catholic Pagans or Christian Pagans utilize the 'angels' as the Watchers.
Many Catholic Pagans or Christian Pagans utilize the 'angels' as the Watchers.
Originally there were 4 royal stars and they were called the Watchers.
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